Tuesday, September 30, 2008

More about Sarah

Just heard that SP responded that she would support crossing the border of Pakistan "if that's what it takes to protect the country" (more or less Obama's position, that McCain opposes). Shooting from the hip, I suspect...

it occurs to me that if you're SP, the only viable strategy would be to say:
you're right, i don't have the same *type* of experience that some others have. but [cite here inexperienced ppl who did great things -- alexander the great, kennedy, the boy with his finger in the dike, whatever...]. i bring you the same thing as those great people had: character.
every president, and every VP, faces specific crises he couldn't have predicted. what's far more important than experience in those sitautions is the character, the backbone, the moral compass you bring. a vote for me is a vote for integrity, for strength, and for someone who sees the world as you do. and i will take the same moral principles that have served me thru my life into the white house to fulfill the duties of VP...

And on a lighter note:


At Tue Sep 30, 12:15:00 PM PDT, Blogger jay are said...

Ha! That was funny---and it would've been funny no matter who was the subject. Just cleverly done. Have you seen Head Of Skate? Another very well done spoof. There are many clever folk out there....too bad I'm not one of them!

At Tue Sep 30, 02:01:00 PM PDT, Blogger jay aitch said...

Hi Bryan. You asked why I am scared of Obama and I hesitate to list my reasons because as you said, we who 'like Sarah' make excuses for each and everything, the same will be in this case. There will be 'intelligent' (of course) explanations for each one. Be that as it may: here you go:
1. Obama is the most liberal senator in the senate.
2. He is essentially a socialist who believes in the redistribution of wealth.
3. He has the thinnest resume of any presidential candidate in history.
4. He spent only 143 days in the senate before embarking on his presidential campaign.
5. His associates and advisors are Jeremiah Wright, Bill Ayers, Franklin Raines, Jim Johnson etc.
6. He's a product of Chicago politics and acquired his Illinois senate seat by questionable means.
7. He's never managed anything....never met a payroll......never had to make a budget decision or any other measures of accountability.
8. There's a real cloud over his real estate transaction with Tony Resko.
9. He has made some scary statements about what he would do with the military and our defense systems.
10. He says ('said'....it's since been modified) that he'd pull out of Iraq. The truth is neither candidate will "pull out" of Iraq until the time is right.
11. He says that he would meet with the Iranian Hitler without preconditions.
12. If he was ever faced with the critical decision to take out a Muslim country I don't think he'd do it.
13. He is proposing $800B of spending programs including socialized medicine, education bills, phony global warming initiatives and other socialistic spending sprees. This is after he gets done touting a $700B bailout of the banking mess started by the mismanagement and downright felonious actions of his friends at Fannie and Freddie.
14. His work (?) as a community organizer (I still don't know what they do) brought him into a cozy relationship with ACORN a fanatical organization that promotes handouts and special treatment.
15. Most of all.....nobody knows who he is. Some think he's a closet Muslim. A real scary thought, but he does have family and childhood ties to them. No one, even his supporters, can name ONE accomplishment in his life that makes him qualified to be President and Commander in Chief. He's a slick talker and his handlers have given him many slogans and catch phrases that appeal to the ignorant voters who think that change means more handouts . Just read his wife's senior thesis at Princeton and examine some of the comments that he's made regarding race and I think you'll see some disturbing trends toward racism. He continually brings up race in his campaign but McCain or Palin has never mentioned race.
This election could be the most important election in our history what with the Islamo-fascist threats and the state of the economy. It's far too important to vote for an empty suit who talks glibly and just hope things will turn out alright.
Here are some links for you to verify my reasons:
1. http://www.usnews.com/blogs/barone/2008/8/22/obama-needs-to-explain-his-ties-to-william-ayers.html
Be sure and read this book on number 4: "The Case Against Obama" by David Freddoso. Okay?
Yes, I will vote for Sarah and John even 'if.' And why? I am a conservative and Sarah is in that camp, so I can trust with guidance she will do the conservative thing. I love America, I love conservative thinking!
Have a good day!

At Tue Sep 30, 02:55:00 PM PDT, Blogger bryan torre said...

awesome, jay aitch. thanks. i appreciate everyone's candidness and thoughtful comments.

At Tue Sep 30, 07:05:00 PM PDT, Blogger jay are said...

I'd be interested to see where the 15 facts come from. But it doesn't really matter. Good to hear from all sides; better yet when we can be sure that it's facts we have to work with and not exaggerations or even lies. Makes it so much harder to make an informed decision.

At Tue Sep 30, 10:56:00 PM PDT, Blogger blogball said...

Bryan, did you really take a look at jay aitch’s comment or did you just comment something nice because you were in a hurry and you didn’t have time to look over all of her points? I bet you dollars to doughnuts that you didn’t read all of her post. I may be wrong but we have similar genes and I think I might do the same thing if the situation was reversed :-) Anyay she raises some valid points so check it out.

At Wed Oct 01, 12:51:00 AM PDT, Blogger jay are said...

glancing at 13 and 14 for starters:

Freddie and Fannie are good ole buddies of McCain as well. That's one thing.

also, instead of people mocking Obama for being a community organizer and then saying, "oh yeah, what is that?" it might be a good idea to find out. It isn't hard, and thank goodness for community organizers. They've done amazingly good things in a lot of neighborhoods.

Those are just two things that popped out at me. There are a lot more to address. Some good points, some skewed facts, some vague generalizations, some inflammatory falsehoods...

but having conservative views isn't a bad thing at all and I don't think anyone is knocking that stand.

At Wed Oct 01, 09:23:00 PM PDT, Blogger blogball said...

“Freddie and Fannie are good ole buddies of McCain as well. That's one thing”

Jay are not quite.


Also here are NcCains Warnings about Fannie & Freddie



“mocking Obama for being a community organizer and then saying, "oh yeah, what is that?" it might be a good idea to find out. It isn't hard, and thank goodness for community organizers. They've done amazingly good things in a lot of neighborhoods”

That was clearly just a respose by Palin after the dems were making fun of her experience. It was all in fun.

Sorry about all of the cut & pasting

At Wed Oct 01, 11:27:00 PM PDT, Blogger jay are said...

In point #14, jay aitch wasn't sure what one was, but the work ? or value of it was in question.

and this was good information:


I don't know if that whole link shows up on this narrow comments page. Anyway, some information about who exactly profited and by how much, etc. There's more to it than that, of course, but it's one piece of it.

At Wed Oct 01, 11:28:00 PM PDT, Blogger jay are said...

the rest of that link:


At Wed Oct 01, 11:48:00 PM PDT, Blogger jay are said...

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At Wed Oct 01, 11:49:00 PM PDT, Blogger jay are said...

and another one, though it's likely not necessary or of great value:


This is so chopped up---dont know if the link makes any sense, but anyway.

At Thu Oct 02, 10:56:00 AM PDT, Blogger unca said...

One of the things that disturbs me about the Obama candidacy (as opposed to Obama himself) is the way in which so many of his supporters view him as much more than just a potential president. The fawning and swooning (see Chris Matthew's thigh and Oprah's, claims that Obama, "touches the souls of so many of us" and "empowers us all.") seem to be such an integral part of the Obama booster mindset that one wonders how much his supporters actually know anything about this policies and past. It’s enough in their minds that Obama transcends politics and even government itself. I don't think such adulation is healthy for America, no matter the candidate (yes I felt the same way about the Reagan saint-makers as well). I have yet to hear one of his supporters describe the thrill of “touching the hem of his garment” but I won’t be surprised when it happens.

At Thu Oct 02, 12:48:00 PM PDT, Blogger bryan torre said...

blogball, i definitely read the issues, but didn't follow the links yet. sorry haven't had time to respond adequately, was kind of frantic getting ready for NYC trip. i will say right off the bat that some of the points are things that concern me as well.
thx to jayare for addressing some of the issues.
unca, i couldn't agree more. i think we're so hungry for heroes, and so happy to be led, that we're inclined to attribute all kind of magical powers to any charismatic good-looking person who shows up. especially if their success carries so much symbolism.
i'll say right away that i never imagined one rises to the top of chicago politics by being a straight-arrow, or by being a nonpolitical outsider. i've always assumed obama is a pol's pol -- his success and his candidacy require a certain amt of hubris. (one time my dad said "anyone who wants to be president should be disqualified"...)
but i also much prefer him to mccain, whose liabilities (not least of which is SP) also disqualify him for me...

At Thu Oct 02, 03:03:00 PM PDT, Blogger unca said...

Interesting that your dad came up with that quote too since I've been saying the same thing for years. Sounds humorous but has a lot of truth in it. I'm for "drafting" a president. I don't know how we'd do it but a group of people (your dad and I?) would just choose somebody, ring the doorbell and say, "You're it for the next four years. Do the best you can. Read up on how the government works and find some people you trust to help you. Good luck." Works for me.

At Thu Oct 02, 03:05:00 PM PDT, Blogger blogball said...

Unca, I agree when I ask an Obama supporter what he has accomplished, they just say they really like him and he’s for change.

Please can anybody tell me 3 things that Obama accomplished in the Senate or even 1 except that he wants change?

At Thu Oct 02, 03:18:00 PM PDT, Blogger unca said...

And then there's this (done, I think in 1960). The more things change the more they stay the same.


At Fri Oct 03, 03:10:00 AM PDT, Blogger jay are said...

no one voting for McCain can ever again say anything about the rock star Obama. Palin's rock star status and the swooning that goes along with it FAR surpasses anything I ever saw regarding Obama. It's been amazing and almost comical....yes, like Bryan said, people want heroes, they want someone to believe in and sometimes will despite red flags or misgivings. But Obama doesn't hold the market on fulfilling that role by any means. If he did once, he's been usurped for sure.

At Fri Oct 03, 02:43:00 PM PDT, Blogger unca said...

Well, there's no denying the admiration for Palin but in my mind it's a much different (and in the long run, more dangerous) kind. Yes, people are making a fuss over Palin (to the point of silliness, as you point out) but what I see from the Obama camp is something that borders on worship. I realize the Oprah doesn’t speak for the nation but she speaks for quite a few so it's work quoting her:

"the most powerful thing I've ever experienced"

"And what I saw with Barack Obama was something that was transcendent and I felt transformational for me as a human being and for this country. And I only pray in the deepest part of my being that America will rise to this moment. And I feel that what he was able to offer us as individual citizens and as a united country was something that we have never seen before.”

This is more than admiration—it’s adulation. Can you honestly say that Palin supporters speak with anything approaching this kind of solemn reverence for their candidate? It’s one thing to regard your candidate as a rock star (silly as that is) but quite another to regard him as savior. And lest you think I’m exaggerating, here are some additional quotes to consider:

"A Lightworker -- An Attuned Being with Powerful Luminosity and High-Vibration Integrity who will actually help usher in a New Way of Being"
-- Mark Morford
"What Barack Obama has accomplished is the single most extraordinary event that has occurred in the 232 years of the nation’s political history"
-- Jesse Jackson, Jr.
"This was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal."
-- Barack Obama
"Does it not feel as if some special hand is guiding Obama on his journey, I mean, as he has said, the utter improbability of it all?"
-- Daily Kos
"He communicates God-like energy..."
-- Steve Davis (Charleston, SC)
"Not just an ordinary human being but indeed an Advanced Soul"
-- Commentator @ Chicago Sun Times
"I'll do whatever he says to do. I'll collect paper cups off the ground to make his pathway clear."
-- Halle Berry
"A quantum leap in American consciousness"
-- Deepak Chopra
"He is not operating on the same plane as ordinary politicians. . . . the agent of transformation in an age of revolution, as a figure uniquely qualified to open the door to the 21st century."
-- Gary Hart
"Barack Obama is our collective representation of our purest hopes, our highest visions and our deepest knowings . . . He's our product out of the all-knowing quantum field of intelligence."
-- Eve Konstantine
"This is bigger than Kennedy. . . . This is the New Testament." | "I felt this thrill going up my leg. I mean, I don't have that too often. No, seriously. It's a dramatic event."
-- Chris Matthews
"[Obama is ] creative imagination which coupled with brilliance equals wisdom . . . [He is] the man for this time."
-- Toni Morrison
"Obama's finest speeches do not excite. They do not inform. They don't even really inspire. They elevate. . . . He is not the Word made flesh, but the triumph of word over flesh . . . Obama is, at his best, able to call us back to our highest selves."
-- Ezra Klein
"Obama has the capacity to summon heroic forces from the spiritual depths of ordinary citizens and to unleash therefrom a symphonic chorus of unique creative acts whose common purpose is to tame the soul and alleviate the great challenges facing mankind."
-- Gerald Campbell
"We're here to evolve to a higher plane . . . he is an evolved leader . . . [he] has an ear for eloquence and a Tongue dipped in the Unvarnished Truth."
-- Oprah Winfrey
“I would characterize the Senate race as being a race where Obama was, let’s say, blessed and highly favored. That’s not routine. There’s something else going on. I think that Obama, his election to the Senate, was divinely ordered. . . . I know that that was God’s plan."
-- Bill Rush

At Fri Oct 03, 03:07:00 PM PDT, Blogger jay aitch said...

Scary, isn't it? You've of course read or heard that people actually faint while he is speaking. History says the same thing happened when Hitler spoke. Eek!

At Fri Oct 03, 05:57:00 PM PDT, Blogger unca said...

Well, I'm really laying most of this on his followers. The guy himself seems decent enough -- I don't think he wants to become a dictator or anything like that but there are probably people around who wouldn't mind it.

At Fri Oct 03, 09:24:00 PM PDT, Blogger blogball said...

Loved the Newhart clip unca!

I think Barack is a nice guy. Obama is a good family man with a great family. If I was stuck in an elevator and had a choice to be stuck with Obama or McCain I would choose Obama. Not because he’s skinny and could fit through that little panel in the ceiling of the elevator and rescue me. It’s because he’s more my age and is a Senator from Illinois (where I’m from) and a Chicago sports fan (like me) and likes to play basketball (like me). We would have a lot more to talk about for sure. I just don’t like his politics, like introducing more government into our lives and tax small business along with that he’s way overrated as Unca points out and a bunch of other stuff that I don’t have time to get in to.

At Sun Oct 05, 06:56:00 AM PDT, Blogger unca said...

OK, Blogball, since you've brought up the subject I think it's only fair that you also tell us who of the two vice-presidential candidates you'd rather be stuck in an elevator with. Explain your answer; compare and contrast; support your choice with references if possible.

At Sun Oct 05, 09:02:00 AM PDT, Blogger bryan torre said...

my answer on the elevator question:
if the elevator were stuck for a day or less, then sarah [insert your own alaska drilling joke here]. if it went more than a day i think i would find her annoyingness too much to bear...

also: unca, some of those quotes have more to do with the symbolism of a potential black president, but i agree the majority are somewhat unsettling. we humans are such sheep, so hungry to be led, to be taken care of; so ready for something to believe in, for a cause, for things that give our lives meaning...

At Mon Oct 06, 06:11:00 PM PDT, Blogger blogball said...

Let’s see Sarah or Joe, Sarah or Joe??? Both nice people I’m sure. I will have to say Sarah. More my age likes to play basketball (like me) Enjoys the game of hockey (like me) She would probably smell better (not like me) and be a little easier on the eyes. We could alo talk about getting stuck in an elevator is not as scary as a democratically controlled House and Senate along with a president that was the most liberal senator in the Senate. Plus I could lift her up to get her through that little panel in the ceiling of the elevator so we could be rescued. Sarah does wear skirts so obviously being the gentleman that I am I would be staring at my shoes the whole time.


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